The Birth Certificate debate rages on

[AnewKINDofFEELING]

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Yes Obama started the war in Libia but I don't get the 911 failure. How has he bloated the budget to create most of the deficit? Most of our current debt is the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, which he is continuing to fund, the bailout, done under both but to a way larger degree under Bush, and the Bush tax cuts. I am not a big fan of Obama by any means, he frustrates me more than Bush because you know where Bush stood on issues, Obama, not so much.

I included him in the 9/11 failure because it is absurd to try to blame Bush for that, just like it is absurd to blame Obama for it. Sorry, that was about 40 years of failed foreign policy and he had only been in office for 8 months when the attacks happened. I would say that it is far more reasonable to blame Clinton, given that we know he red-lit an attack on Bin Laden's known location.

As for the national debt. Hmmm.



2001: ~5.8 Bush starts
2008: ~10 Bush Ends
2010: ~13.8 latest listed

Bush increased the debt by 4.2 Trillion in 8 years
Obama increased the debt by 3.8 Trillion in 2 years

[BuddyGoodness]

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I don't blame Bush solely for 911. But the buck stops at the top, he was given warning and he failed to act on it. Clinton shares blame as well. The entire intelligence aparatus shares the blame.


Debt added during George W. Bush's eight years: $5.2 - $5.7 trillion (mixed numbers).
Debt added to-date Barack Obama: $1.8 - $2.4 trillion (mixed numbers). Includes Bush's "off the books" DEBT.
2 Wars, Medicare D = UNFUNDED = Off The Books

I am not saying Obama isn't guilty of spending too much. But a good chunk of the debt added under his presidency was there regardless of who would have ended up as president. He had the wars and Medicare part D incorporated into the debt figures. So this is money that was being spent regardless, his administration just chose to take a different approach that Bush did, Bush kept these things off the debt tally, Obama did not. The part of the debt that is Obama is mostly the stimulus and the health care bill. Both of which are sizable. The health care bill is deeply flawed but I think some action in that regard was needed. The stimulus was a response to the economic downtown that resulted from deregulation and wall street going apeshit with risk, dragging the economy into the toilet.

[FeebleFables]

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Happy Birther Day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irMSF1Au9A4

[And we'll just put a happy little bush over here.]

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lulz. World Net Daily.
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Also, I love watching Limbaugh's frail his hands about.

[lotsofface]

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Ron Paul anyone?

[And we'll just put a happy little bush over here.]

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No.

[Ars Sycro]

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Why'd Ron Paul get brought up?

[And we'll just put a happy little bush over here.]

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Because he will save conservativism!

[David]

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Ron Paul anyone?

Here. I support the man, but you won't see me making phone calls on his behalf or standing on street corners grabbing my junk and waving signs for him. It angers me that his most ardent supporters are truthers and uninformed people.

Because he will save conservativism!

Oh u know it bb. But I'd vote for him sooner than any other candidate presented thus far.

[And we'll just put a happy little bush over here.]

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I will continue to cast invalid ballots rather than vote for any of these fools.

[Ars Sycro]

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I've voted Nader every time I've been allowed to vote... which is only twice.

[dsv]

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I love Rachel.

[And we'll just put a happy little bush over here.]

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Yeah, sorry to hear about that felony rap. I hope you beat it, Ars.

[Kyte30351]

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Vote fer me as dictator of the country. I'll make some good changes.

[Gnomad]

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Make banks accountable for their mistakes/wrong doings and you got a deal.