Religion

[Ooga]

Re: Religion

oogaism.

Don't patronize me with your... foolishism!

[Trathena]

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Don't patronize me with your... foolishism!

Damn. I was actually going to ask for a brochure.


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Listening to: Sigur Rós - Untitled 6

[AnewKINDofFEELING]

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Agnosticism, and my accepting it, it was has actually allowed me to feel like I am accepted. I, too, was raised catholic and the teachings never made sense to me, but I always just went along because I was supposed to. That led to a LOT of inner confusion. How could I, a genuinely good person, be sent to hell when self-centered and self-righteous people go to heaven? I basically decided that if that is what heaven really is, I don't want any part of it. I will live my life morally and if that isn't good enough, so be it.

I just feel like most teachings of Christianity are, if anything, insulting to god. Like someone said before, praying to an omnipotent creator is like spiritual dry humping.

[Trathena]

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Agnosticism, and my accepting it, it was has actually allowed me to feel like I am accepted.

I've said before that losing my faith made me feel closer to Jesus and understand him more. I've stopped saying that because it sounds smart ass, same as when I say that reading the Bible caused me to lose my faith. But both statements are true.

How could I, a genuinely good person, be sent to hell when self-centered and self-righteous people go to heaven? I basically decided that if that is what heaven really is, I don't want any part of it. I will live my life morally and if that isn't good enough, so be it.

You're fortunate that you had enough inner strength to know you're a good person in the first place! I'm still not there. I no longer think I'm a bad person, though.

For a long time, I thought that the "rules" in Christianity were unfair, but I just blindly accepted that too. "OK, God is one horrible being, and cruel, but I must still try to please Him, and try to understand His ways." It didn't occur to me to use my own moral compass to conclude that, since the rules were so obviously and irrationally wrong, that the Christian God must not even exist at all.

Like I said, the Bible--read critically--is so ridiculously unreasonable, rationally unsound, and factually incorrect it was just something I couldn't keep believing in, not even through faith.

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Listening to: Wolf & Cub - Conundrum

[redmosqui]

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So true, the above...

I'm one of those people who thinks "religion" such as it's handed out in it's forms in churches, is a crock. That doesn't mean I'm not a religious or spiritual person, I just don't beleive the same things that the church preachers, or at least not to the point where it makes sense to be apart of something like that.

[Trathena]

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I'm one of those people who thinks "religion" such as it's handed out in it's forms in churches, is a crock. That doesn't mean I'm not a religious or spiritual person, I just don't beleive the same things that the church preachers, or at least not to the point where it makes sense to be apart of something like that.

The statement, "I'm not religious, but I'm spiritual," has fallen out of fashion for some reason. (Same with "activist.") I don't know why, because spirituality is a perfect alternative to following doctrine.

I think maybe the Wiccans probably ruined the term "spiritual" for the rest of us. :-)



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Listening to: Doves - Lost Souls

[And we'll just put a happy little bush over here.]

Re: Religion

and i think of myself as religious and not spiritual. have i said that already?

[Trathena]

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Hee. No.

Maybe we should define "religious" and "spiritual"?

Trathena added 2 Minutes and 58 Seconds later...

Are these people "religious" or "spiritual"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRJqZxXmDtA

[Trathena]

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I know this is "old" news, but I wanted to mention this here.

Tennessee church attack spotlights scapegoat mentality

Police say Mr. Adkisson, an unemployed mechanical engineer, left a note listing his own inability to find a job as one reasons for his attack. He also railed against the Unitarian Universalist denomination as being "liberal," including the church's advocacy for gay rights. The FBI is investigating the shooting as a hate crime.

"He saw this congregation not as a church but ... as part of the problem," says Mr. Casey. "He's thinking, 'I have to go there and do this to make the world a better place."

This reminds me of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell blaming Sept. 11th on the pagans, gays, and feminists.

[Ars Sycro]

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You mean it wasn't their fault?

[Trathena]

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Only the pagans.

[Trathena]

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This is the kind of stuff that gets me in trouble with my liberal friends. Groups like this are ridiculous.

Notre Dame is a Catholic school. And gays and lesbians who go there and pay tuition are giving their money to their oppressors. It reminds me of Stockholm Syndrome.

[TheRuleofThree]

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Eh, I dunno. I think the only people who take Catholics seriously are Catholics.

[Trathena]

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It's like its own little cult isn't it?

I cult with millions and millions of members.

::shudder::

[Shigeru]

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This is the kind of stuff that gets me in trouble with my liberal friends. Groups like this are ridiculous.

Notre Dame is a Catholic school. And gays and lesbians who go there and pay tuition are giving their money to their oppressors. It reminds me of Stockholm Syndrome.

This could very well be my own ignorance on the matter, but would this really become an issue for unfair treatment or means for an excuse? How many things should be added to that list? I'm not saying that sexual orientation shouldn't be on there. With today's culture and it's direction, is certainly seems relevant. I don't agree with same-sex orientations, but I don't think any of them should be discriminated because of it.

I mean, where does the list end? When do people use their non-inclusion as an excuse for any mistreatment or misfortune that befalls them at their university? Hyperbole, but should they include people who like the eat peanut butter/mayo sandwiches? <--- Yeah... I actually know a guy... ick.