Catch Without Arms discussion.

[assortedreptiles]

Re: Catch Without Arms discussion.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha....





Don't give up any time out of your day to write reviews kid.. that was pretty bad.



- Eric


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[Sins Of Arcadia]

Re: Catch Without Arms discussion.

navigate: I dont need evidence to support the fact that your review was bad. It was bad simply because it was.



Me listening to more music, and obviously having a greater appreciation for it has little to do with how atrocious your review was.


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[navigate]

Re: Catch Without Arms discussion.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>navigate: I dont need evidence to support the fact that your review was bad. It was bad simply because it was.



Me listening to more music, and obviously having a greater appreciation for it has little to do with how atrocious your review was.<hr></blockquote>



Interesting, you are saying my review was bad, yet you show no reason as to why. Remember "simply because it was" is saying, to me, that you have no thought process of the review, other then its "negative."



Even though I wrote reasons why I think "Catch without Arms" is average work, people still write one liners such as "its bad simply because it was." This is not ignorant?



You people have the nerve to post 50 times a day, but dont have the nerve to write more then one sentence fleshing out a simple thesis with evidence to back it up? I know you people have the time of day to actually sit down and write constructive opinions because of sky high post counts.



Something else. If you truly feel my opinion is worthless and misleading then why dont you try to lead me in the right direction? Arent you a fan that should try to get more people to listen to Dredg?



Forums do not work out because they are filled with teenage assholes who post too damn much and have nothing to say. Untill you construct a sensable opinion will I listen to you.



So try again Sins of Arcadia.


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[Sins Of Arcadia]

Re: Catch Without Arms discussion.

I'm 20 years old, first of all.



Secondly, is there some type of rule that states for one to say something is negative, one must give a thesis as to why said thing is positive? I dont care to elaborate on this album to you, as I've spoken about it with numerous people over AIM all day today and yesterday.



Suffice to say that the entire concept, musicianship, and vocals are all top notch. The only songs that could be considered 'mainstream' guided would be Catch Without Arms and Matroshka (and even that's a stretch). Songs like Jamis Vu and Planting Seeds could have easily been on El Cielo, for their somber feel alone. Gavin's vocals have never been better, and this is evident in Ode To The Sun. The foreshadowing on the album is also quite interesting, and adds more thought to the concept. Look, I've already typed more than I had planned, and I still do not care about your pretentious opinion of the album, music, and fans of music in general. But look around. You are in the minority. I've spoken to people that hated dredg that love this album. Then there are people like myself, who have loved everything they have ever done, who find this album to be yet another work of art.



This of course has nothing to do with how much of an atrocity your 'review' was.


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[TheRuleofThree]

Re: Catch Without Arms discussion.

A thesis with support?



You claim that Dino "sold out" (silly term) a drum beat in the second verse and implied that he did so because people have shorter attention spans or that its catchier.



I think whats most unfortunate about situations like this (and this doesn't just apply to you, but sometimes to people on the opposing side as well) is that people act as though it was their music, their art. They forget that dredg creates the music they want and makes it sound the way they want. So what if he changed the beat from the original song? The entire song is different. The chorus is not nearly as raw as before. But clearly, this is how they intended the song be heard. That doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on what sounds better; but that also doesn't mean that the new version is a "sold out" counterpart.



Furthermore; to imply that the band removed instrumentals for mentally deficient fans is unnecessary and baseless. I think many of us were surprised by the lack of instrumentals, since it feels less like dredg. But again, this is their work, and they obviously made it this way for a reason. Its not to make it poppier; if it was, they wouldn't have a weird kid singing through an odd voice transmitter at the tail end of a song, or odd laughter at the end of another.



And the term "real music fan" is by far so immature and self righteous that we won't even discuss it.



Forums don't work out because of a combination of things; for every immature 15 year old you speak of, theres an equally immature member who refuses to concede, compromise, contribute or get involved without bringing negativity or self importance into the mix. Your "review," rather than noting certain points that you COULD have used to further a valid opinion (no instrumentals, repetitious choruses) attacked the band and people who enjoyed their new work.



I think that you are entitled to your opinion; dissent, friction, colors breed wider spectrums. But baseless claims, rude attacks and illogical allegations are useless and have no place here.


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[defcanuck]

reviewing is bad

I think reviewing music, movies or any form of art work is unnecessary, and we shouldn't be "reviewing" dredg in a sense but moreso analyzing the songs and deriving meaning from them. If you don't like the music, then don't come here. Furthermore, if you don't like the music, and you came to this board to spread your negativity, that says a lot about your character as a person.



Personally, I want nothing more than to see these guys be successful and to be successful in the music industry you have to appeal to a wider audience, or sell your albums for 100 bucks a pop. Dredg has done something I never thought possible: they've made an album that even a person of mild musical sophistication can appreciate and fall in love with, yet still live up to our (hardcore dredg fans, myself since Leitmotf, 1999 or so) overblown and lets face it, impossible expectations.



I just think its stupid for a person to waste their time reviewing when we're all going to form our own opinions anyways. Even stupider to post a negative review for a group of hardcore fans who aren't going to take any of it to heart.




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[navigate]

Re: reviewing is bad

musemusicandquestions.blogspot.com/



heres another review I wrote. Your opinions matter greatly and are much appreciated. I hope this will ignite further critical and constructive debate from here on out.



You guys showed why I am wrong on my "insults", but could you further show what truly makes this album better then El Cielo?



Many say the band plays sharper, but what does that mean? For instance, much of what Mark plays is designed to have persisent punch to it. (Listen to the opening of Ode to the Sun) Mark plays three different chords over and over again with Dino smacking the snare 1 2 3 4 consistently. However on El Cielo, Dino hit the snare to a point where I still cant predict when he is going to hit it. Dredg is missing the breakdown to their songs...and only in Planting seeds, Sang Real, Hung over on a Tuesday, Ode to the Sun do they show why I can listen and sense an above average work of art.



Heres a question as well. Why can Mars Volta write an album contanting A lot of jam session and still become popular (selling out shows) Whereas, Dredg thinks they need to gain fans by writing short/sharp songs?


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[mrtrw]

Re: reviewing is bad

I really doubt dredg wrote it because they wanted to gain more listeners. If you have listened to that much music (<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"> ) you should know something called natural progression. Bands evolve, they do not stand still. This album comes very naturally after leitmotif and el cielo. That shouldn't be such a surprise.


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[Frank Nit]

Re: reviewing is bad

who said dredg wrote these songs because they needed fans? i think everyone agrees they wrote these songs for themselves.



and only a real music critic would understand why this is a progression from el cielo. it doesn't have to be better to be a step forward. people get mixed up on the definition of progress. once you have accomplished something, you don't keep doing it over and over again until you do it slightly better. you move on to something new. progress is leaving the old behind and maximizing yourself. i believe dredg feels they accomplished something with leitmotif, which is why they moved on to el cielo. i believe that, again, they felt as though they accomplished what they wanted to. now we are at catch without arms, and if you asked me, they accomplished something.


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[navigate]

here

said by the band, from purevolume.com/dredg.........



<blockquote>Quote:<hr>It’s equally unsurprising, then, that the band would view its own situation through this artistic prism with the track “catch without arms.” Part of the inspiration for lyrics like “sing about love, sing about lust/so they will care… that’s what happen when you compromise your art” was, according to Hayes, “The expectation, what I feel I need to do to make people care about a song, rather than just writing for what makes me happy. You always have this underlying worry in your head – are people going to enjoy this? We want to make ourselves happy, but it’s not only about writing a good song, it’s being able to connect with people in some manner. That one was probably the most literal thing I’ve written in a long time.”<hr></blockquote>



Here, Dredg is saying they made themselves happy with Leitmotif and El Cielo and a small group of people.



Sometimes I think the people shouting play this old school song, gave the band the impression that they were degressing instead of progressing, ultimatley leading them to make their sound easy and distorted.



<blockquote>Quote:<hr>“It wasn’t a conscious decision at all to be more accessible,” says guitarist Mark Engles. “We started looking at ourselves like, ‘what are you afraid of? If something sounds a little pretty or obtainable, don’t be so afraid of it.’ ”<hr></blockquote>



Interesting...as an artist I find this to be inspirational



<blockquote>Quote:<hr>“On catch without arms, we concentrated more on the flow of the songs, as opposed to ‘I want to throw in this weird part just because I want to do it.’ It doesn’t mean that on the next record we won’t do even more obscure stuff.”<hr></blockquote>



Heres to hoping this band gets a lot of money to live comfortable and design a piece of art work like they have before because this album is no different then any other. Unless of course, somebody has something to say about it.


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[Molitoth]

Re: here

Nicely put Brock.




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[tillybot]

Re: here

haha Dino sold out a drum beat.

be's a more talented musician then youll ever be.



Matroshka might sound really poppy but their is a lot of talent in there. listen to the piano part as the drums come in. that isnt easy to do, despite the fact it's an easy beat.


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[bootylicious]

Re: here

first reactions -> catch without arms (the track) is weak, the lyrics are horrible... i dont know, maybe that song will get better as I listen to it more



first song that really got my attention was Zebra Skin -> this song really came out good. Quite a pace change at the point in the album



Tanbark -> @#%$ awesome. god i love this song



...and this is where I am now, i haven't listened to the rest


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[Molitoth]

Re: here

man lots of hate for 2 of my fav songs.



zebraskin and CWOA.









anyway, lyrics change for you Jon...





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[tillybot]

Re: here

crazy.


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